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		<title>By: Sean Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure = I think I need to write my own post on integration. Beth Harte and I had a discussion on her blog last week (I think...) touching on the themes you mention here. Namely, PR is more than media relations -- I&#039;m especially interested in internal communications, which is a bear to integrate with marketing. We fit very well in sales communications from a skills development sense (HR always likes to have training under its wing, though); we certainly can manage direct customer service communications -- provided we&#039;re the type of PR people who indeed do think outside the media box. My own expertise is in managerial communication and measurement -- &quot;helping organizations improve communication and measure the results.&quot; It&#039;s fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure = I think I need to write my own post on integration. Beth Harte and I had a discussion on her blog last week (I think&#8230;) touching on the themes you mention here. Namely, PR is more than media relations &#8212; I&#39;m especially interested in internal communications, which is a bear to integrate with marketing. We fit very well in sales communications from a skills development sense (HR always likes to have training under its wing, though); we certainly can manage direct customer service communications &#8212; provided we&#39;re the type of PR people who indeed do think outside the media box. My own expertise is in managerial communication and measurement &#8212; &#8220;helping organizations improve communication and measure the results.&#8221; It&#39;s fun!</p>
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		<title>By: heatherwhaling</title>
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		<dc:creator>heatherwhaling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. I don&#039;t blame the publicists. Certainly, you&#039;re not going to turn down work. :) Many clients just want clips -- and that&#039;s totally fine. Broadening the discussion, I think the PR industry as a whole needs to do a better job communicating the full scope of PR, specifically how our skill set can help companies strengthen the bottom line and meet their business objectives. Sometimes that involves media relations, but it will often incorporate other elements of PR. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for reading and commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. I don&#39;t blame the publicists. Certainly, you&#39;re not going to turn down work. <img src='http://prtini.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Many clients just want clips &#8212; and that&#39;s totally fine. Broadening the discussion, I think the PR industry as a whole needs to do a better job communicating the full scope of PR, specifically how our skill set can help companies strengthen the bottom line and meet their business objectives. Sometimes that involves media relations, but it will often incorporate other elements of PR. </p>
<p>Thanks for reading and commenting!</p>
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		<title>By: heatherwhaling</title>
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		<dc:creator>heatherwhaling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, thanks for the insightful comment. I don&#039;t disagree with what you&#039;re saying. Your thoughts about strategic media relations are spot on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Taking it a step further, as PR people, it&#039;s our job to educate the decision-makers that we bring other, just as valuable, skills and services to the table. For example, how can PR support the sales cycle? Or, what&#039;s our role when it comes to marketing, customer services, and (as you touched on) social media? When it comes to spearheading integrated communication efforts, I think many PR people can provide a great deal of value -- even though those specific areas have nothing to do with media relations. You&#039;re right -- there is no magic bullet. What works one organization may or may not translate to another.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, thanks for the insightful comment. I don&#39;t disagree with what you&#39;re saying. Your thoughts about strategic media relations are spot on. </p>
<p>Taking it a step further, as PR people, it&#39;s our job to educate the decision-makers that we bring other, just as valuable, skills and services to the table. For example, how can PR support the sales cycle? Or, what&#39;s our role when it comes to marketing, customer services, and (as you touched on) social media? When it comes to spearheading integrated communication efforts, I think many PR people can provide a great deal of value &#8212; even though those specific areas have nothing to do with media relations. You&#39;re right &#8212; there is no magic bullet. What works one organization may or may not translate to another.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>By: agustinaprigosin</title>
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		<dc:creator>agustinaprigosin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more, however, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessarily the publicists who voluntarily take on the &quot;clips, clips, clips&quot; mentality, at least not in my case. I have become the type of publicist you describe out of giving clients what they want. I think there&#039;s a common misconception of what PR is ALL about, but companies only know about and request media attention. How do you say no to business? Especially when it&#039;s a facet of what you do?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I try to educate my clients on everything that PR entails, but some are just set on media attention and won&#039;t budge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#39;t agree with you more, however, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s necessarily the publicists who voluntarily take on the &#8220;clips, clips, clips&#8221; mentality, at least not in my case. I have become the type of publicist you describe out of giving clients what they want. I think there&#39;s a common misconception of what PR is ALL about, but companies only know about and request media attention. How do you say no to business? Especially when it&#39;s a facet of what you do?</p>
<p>I try to educate my clients on everything that PR entails, but some are just set on media attention and won&#39;t budge.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffespo</title>
		<link>http://prtini.com/staying-out-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1838</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffespo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Staying out of the story is perhaps the biggest factor of our profession. I cringe at the site of my name in stories for my company and also can bet that Prada&#039;s team had to be not so happy with the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Staying out of the story is perhaps the biggest factor of our profession. I cringe at the site of my name in stories for my company and also can bet that Prada&#39;s team had to be not so happy with the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather, you finish with &quot;How do you explain to “clip-centric” management that there’s more to PR than front-page news stories?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes, that&#039;s a fool&#039;s errand. It&#039;s akin to being a great feature writer and trying to convince your editor that you can cover hardball politics -- it&#039;s hard!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;clip-centric&quot; types want to see a connection between activity and results -- one thing we can do is log our inbound media relations efforts and point out the potentially negative (or at least not complimentary) stories we&#039;ve avoided over a quarter. We also can skinny down our target media list and be sure that management knows which outlets we&#039;re going after and with what type of story -- getting them off the &quot;got a mention in the Dispatch&quot; mindset by focusing on the strategic use of the media. Lastly, performance against objectives is the easiest measurement strategy around -- here&#039;s what we decided to do and here&#039;s what happened -- and then tie that back to other types of outcome. Web visits/views, for example -- did they increase following our media relations effort?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This isn&#039;t a magic bullet -- there will be many marketing-driven organizations that see media relations as an extension of those efforts. And that thinking will extend to social media as well.  We&#039;re still writing the rules on that one yet...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, you finish with &#8220;How do you explain to “clip-centric” management that there’s more to PR than front-page news stories?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes, that&#39;s a fool&#39;s errand. It&#39;s akin to being a great feature writer and trying to convince your editor that you can cover hardball politics &#8212; it&#39;s hard!</p>
<p>The &#8220;clip-centric&#8221; types want to see a connection between activity and results &#8212; one thing we can do is log our inbound media relations efforts and point out the potentially negative (or at least not complimentary) stories we&#39;ve avoided over a quarter. We also can skinny down our target media list and be sure that management knows which outlets we&#39;re going after and with what type of story &#8212; getting them off the &#8220;got a mention in the Dispatch&#8221; mindset by focusing on the strategic use of the media. Lastly, performance against objectives is the easiest measurement strategy around &#8212; here&#39;s what we decided to do and here&#39;s what happened &#8212; and then tie that back to other types of outcome. Web visits/views, for example &#8212; did they increase following our media relations effort?</p>
<p>This isn&#39;t a magic bullet &#8212; there will be many marketing-driven organizations that see media relations as an extension of those efforts. And that thinking will extend to social media as well.  We&#39;re still writing the rules on that one yet&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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